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Sarah Palin and the will of God

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This YouTube video is currently making the rounds…

You can see a fuller video explanation over here at CNN.

The McCain camp is saying that Govenor Palin was not saying the building of the Alaskan Pipeline actually was God’s will but instead was wishing for it to be.

What do you think?

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Written by arnold

September 8, 2008 at 2:36 pm

Posted in Politics, Religion

13 Responses

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  1. “I think God’s will has to be done in unifying people and companies to get that gas line built.” There’s not really a good semantic way out of that: God’s will = building a gas line.

    However…

    She’s speaking in church where people make casual, thoughtless references about God (his will, how he feels, what he does) out of mere habit, not because they would staunchly defend what they’re saying if pressed. I think she’s just speaking in evangelical code — church speak.

    So maybe she can be given the benefit of the doubt for speaking carelessly. After all, she probably never dreamed she’d be where she is now given where she was then. I will say, it is that stark difference between now and then that makes her unqualified for her appointed position — she revealed her ignorance today on economic issues (thought that tax payers had been paying for fannie mae and freddie mac), and as soon as they let her speak to the press she will reveal more of her knowledge gaps.

    (See Jeffrey Stout’s “Democracy and Tradition” if you’re interested in the deeper question here of religious beliefs in political discourse.)

    the kyle

    September 8, 2008 at 4:12 pm

  2. Who knows?? Maybe God WANTS a gas line built out there! πŸ˜‰

    Kim

    September 8, 2008 at 9:32 pm

  3. Now you’re getting towards my point, Kim… how would you know?

    arnold

    September 9, 2008 at 11:31 am

  4. I agree with Kyle that she was doing “churchspeak.” Or we could telepathically travel to Sarah Palin’s mind to find out and say, “Sarah, I know that you didn’t even know what the Vice President did on a day to day basis (see Fox news tonight) there’s a guy in California who is just really curious if you and God are talking about pipeline plans for Alaska. If so, could you ask God to send him a sign?” πŸ˜‰

    I’d appreciate some discussion on Hunter Biden now.

    Kim

    September 9, 2008 at 8:54 pm

  5. Ha… good stuff.

    What I meant, was how would one know if that was the will of God to have an Alaskan pipeline? I know you were just kidding but I believe Sarah was serious, despite what the McCain camp is saying.

    It seems fairly obvious that Sarah really believed what she was saying. Just like those people who believe God has called them to be a famous musician or to choose a particular job over another or even in finding a spouse.

    How does one accurately discern the will of God for one’s life or his plan for society? If we go by people’s actions, they really believe God has laid out a plan for them. They chase after a music career to the exclusion of other opportunities. They keep to their career choice despite their mismatched skill set. Or they try to push a pipeline through because they really really want it. Is that God’s voice?

    arnold

    September 9, 2008 at 9:13 pm

  6. As governor, maybe she’s just trying to create jobs. Surely God likes people to be employed. It may sound silly to us, but as I understand it almost all of Alaska is for the pipeline. What she said in that context wouldn’t really be considered controversial. It’s not her fault that the whole word is listening in via youtube.

    To me it all goes back to the stark difference between governor of Alaska and Vice President of the United States. Two totally different mindsets.

    the kyle

    September 9, 2008 at 9:31 pm

  7. How does one accurately discern the will of God for one’s life or his plan for society?

    arnold

    September 9, 2008 at 10:16 pm

  8. You make a good point that there’s no way to accurately discern God’s will for society. What we can accurately discern though is that God wants us to follow Him…and not nit-pick this woman to death!
    I am going to post a You Tube video that I had sent to me that shows Barry Obama giving a speech two years ago where he says that it’s dangerous for the US to make laws based off biblical traditions. He cites Leviticus, Deuteronomy and the sermon on the mount to justify his points.

    Kim

    September 10, 2008 at 10:07 am

  9. I agree. We just can’t assert that something is the will of God for our country. I think Obama said it nicely in that speech a couple years back. Though sadly, for some it will make them think that Palin is pro-Bible and Obama is anti-Bible, rather than thinking through this stuff.

    the kyle

    September 10, 2008 at 11:01 am

  10. Dear Mr. McCain,

    For the sake of my sanity, please decide whether your running mate is a fighter or a victim, cause I’m getting dizzy here.

    Sincerely,
    The Kyle

    [sorry for being off topic, arnold. i just had to get that off my chest after this whole lipstick “outrage.” you’d think a former POW and a pitbull wouldn’t be so unbelievably sensitive.]

    the kyle

    September 10, 2008 at 4:31 pm

  11. 1. No one is nit picking on Sarah Palin. When you run for office people are going to want to know who you are and what you stand for and that’s fair.

    2. Is there a reason to call someone a name other than the name they go by? During the primaries, the only people calling Senator Clinton “Hillary Rodham Clinton” were simply trying to belittle her by stepping away from her actual, earned title. I believe he goes by Senator Obama or Barack Obama.

    3. Let’s step away from Sarah Palin for a second and examine the idea of God’s will. It troubles me when national leaders make decisions for the country with the reason of “God’s will.” Not that I would argue we should go against God’s will, but because my feeling God’s will is rarely involved in these things. Anyone who reads the Bible can know that God is primarily concerned with people knowing he is God and coming to some understanding of who he is and responding accordingly. Anything apart from that is increasingly conjecture filled. So when George Bush believed he was called by God to end tyranny in Iraq, how can we know? By the results? By George W. Bush’s testimony? The other thing that bothers me about this is invoking God’s will becomes an instant conversation killer. Once Bush claimed God was leading him to defeat tyranny in Iraq, contradicting him forced you down a few unpleasant roads, you either denied God’s sovereignty or you doubted Bush’s faith. What no one did was question whether Bush was correctly discerning the will of God.

    So when someone says it’s God’s will to invade Iraq, or build a pipeline for that matter, I’m still going to ask… how do you know?

    arnold

    September 10, 2008 at 11:02 pm

  12. We had an interesting speaker at church who helped train Iraqi forces in Iraq and really made an excellent case about God’s will at work in government. I don’t know if you could explain these changes scientifically or what, but he actually made the point that the US being in Iraq is the will of God because they’ve had more rain there recently and hillsides are turning green, yadayada. I was impressed and wondered if God could maybe insert His will in someplace less boring. πŸ™‚

    Kyle, I haven’t ignored your comment.

    Kim

    September 11, 2008 at 12:49 pm

  13. So rain is the indication? Are New Orleans and Houston especially blessed then?

    Sorry, Kim… I couldn’t resist. πŸ™‚

    arnold

    September 11, 2008 at 1:28 pm


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